View all posts by Major Hykr. Beyond that I do not know if they were swapped out. A knife for sale on Frank Trzaska's site shows a sheath with the same care instructions stamped into it, with the knife keeper in a different location. This does not impact the price of the item youre buying and it supports me to keep creating the content that you love. like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real I'm just not in possession of good references to documentation that would support my opinion yet. As such, finding a definitive history of the development and procurement of this knife is difficult to reconstruct. with the government to sell the design and know how to make the knife. Boy Scout Knife, Camillus Manufacturer, Whittler's Knife, used, blades in great condition but shank shows wear (CSE06) Please refer to the pictures for condition grading. An unmarked prototype hunter with Stagged Rosewood and Sent to the Jeffersonville Quartermaster, it is essentially a 6 There were of course Marines stationed on the base. I hope this is the right place to make this post.sorry if not. I would, thus, rather you look at the knife itself rather than trying to use the sheath to make a judgment. Schrade Knife Identification (www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us) Schrade Knives (AAPK-All About Pocket Knives) Victorinox. These two knives are commonly identified as WW2 pilots knives. The one on the left is a 1972 and the one on the right has no date. We place the WW II era The business was run by a handful of businessmen who, for one reason or the other, went out of business by 1900. The way that Camillus 5733 knives are marked can give us a general idea of when the knife was made. Heres another variant knife that Frank Trzaska mentions in his 6/01/2002 knife knotes. While some other companies have taken over the design and started to make modern versions, there is simply nothing like the older units that first came out under the original Klaas company. Both products contained a second active ingredient, salicylanilide. qualified technician to remove the surface rust and dirt on them. In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. These markings will usually show on the tang since they are less likely to wear and be scratched off there. 1960's-76 Camillus New York Wooden handle US military style 2 blade electricians folding pocket knife-3 3/4'hunting. I suspect it is Vietnam era from its condition. Here are some links to other threads touching on this subject. Required fields are marked *. Is it a genuine vintage or merely a reproduction? About as plain as you can get, this is a prototype paring Speechless Q31: An almost twin to item number two above but this one While similar, they tend to be slightly thicker on the pommels and equally peened. You also have to consider that contracts were negotiated for 5-inch hunting knives prior to the release and approval of the drawings for the Mark 1. capt14k, This is the guard-marked type with a "plain" unmarked blade. Thanks for sharing. It looks exactly like the survival knife from the air force. In my estimation I would not include the Camillus 5 inch blades with fullers in a discussion about Navy Mark I knives. If you can find old knife catalogs, theyre one of the best ways to date and identify your Camillus knives. Adolph Kastor, the founder of the Camillus cutlery company, came to the U.S.A at the age of 14. camillus knife identification. It's easy! Before you can regard them as a collectors item, though, you need to know that you are working with the, Read More How to Tell How Old a Barlow Knife Is by Yourself (Charts, Stamps, and More)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. Unknown: Believed to be a special hunting knife made for Ka-bar did not just make straight knives or folding knives. When WWI and WWII came along, Adolph shifted the focus of the company to cater to U.S. soldiers and the Allied Forces. scabbard marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a current reproduction Your email address will not be published. Paranitrophenol was first registered in the United States in 1963 as a fungicide incorporated into leather products and hides as a preservative. Orig. This is the factory reference S-5382 Half guard prototype with scaler back and 3 small I appreciate the vote of confidence . An interesting fact was that in 1944 the BuOrd wanted all the contractors to switch to the pommel to that provided on the PAL knives, it created a big stink because it required all sorts of adjustments on the assembly line and extra pressure on those existing contractors that actually made the pommel. Above that it simply says "Army Air Forces". I do know that it has the serrated spine and in outward appearance may be an original except for the handle. However, there is not enough information in the literature to determine with certainty the purpose of the holes. The Air Force Survival Knife was designed to meet a particular requirement for the military. Step 2: Read the markings You could find either the USMC or USN MK2 marking on the knife. 5679 L36: WW II Army Air Corps knife. The leather will be treated with para-nitrophenol fungicide. it's nice to finely see actual examples of the parkerized knives with no branch of service. Camillus Proptotype with 5 inches blade which was not accepted. I know my knives - maybe not as well as my mother - but enough to write helpful guides for you. ? I own one as a backup knife for my backpacking, outdoor, and emergency needs. Late 1944 production through till contracts were completed or cancelled in 1945, you find those knives more alike or much more similar characteristics. Camillus knives may contain one to six individual blades, knife use caution when opening them. With areas like Germany, Italy, China, and the rest of the world getting the praises for coming up with truly timeless knives, the USA takes the glory for this one. factory collection. St Louis with Indian Trail grooved bone and large rivets. Try any of the methods above to identify the ka-bar knife you have, and provide a very good estimate of the date when it launched also. The intended use of the knife is for pilots as required in survival situations. In 1983, this registration was amended to add the use of the product for incorporation into cork insulation for military use. quick. A German himself, and having spent enough time in the U.S.A. to know the market landscape, this business venture was not difficult for him. You are using an out of date browser. Thanks! So both of mine in the first post are wartime? Made in September 1941. With the help Ive had a couple of the Camillus knives and they had the years indicated: 1975 and 1981. Both have leather grips. However, because of Marbles premature manufacturing of the knife before it was awarded a government contract, the rest of the world gained the privilege to own this knife. The Marine Corps then also renamed the knife the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife. The WW II era knife has a long sweeping false edge while the current As the development and testing process began to take shape, updates to the original specification documents were published. Sears Roebucks in 9/26/1941. I own one of these knives and recently became interested in its history when one was found in a japanese built WWII tunnel system in a mountain in Northern Luzon, Philippines. brass rivets, Another Kent with stagged bone and small brass domed by Colonel666 Mon May 27, 2013 2:59 am, Post this one, it should be a fantastic story to be uncovered one day. I like that, but cannot figure out what type of knife that may be. Now, contractors didn't just immediately stop what they were doing and make the transition, they continued with the existing product before the transition. The serrated spine was designed to cut through the aluminum skin surrounding the airframes of Korean and Vietnam War-era aircraft. blade and solid spun rivets for the military. The USMC solicited bids from several knife The condition of the leather sheath is what would one would expect to be from late 1960s to early 1970s vintage as it was found at the time, which has not degraded since. The That, however, only makes getting the exact era that these fine knives came from a more interesting affair. Navy didn't agree. rivets. The table below shows you different tang stamp designs and when they were circulated.Tang StampDescriptionYear/ Era3-line arch stamp1902-19154-line straight stamp with yearFeatures year of manufacture3-line straight stamp1916 the 1930s4-line straight stampThe 1930s mid-19453-line; non-italic fonts; short underline1946 19503-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.)1960 the 1970s3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italicsThe 1970s 1980s3-line stamp; dotted U.S.A.; mixed caps1989 2007Camillus Knife Tang Stamps and their Eras. Do you have any additional information on what the 6-89 is and how it fits in the history. IMHO, both knives fit into the category of Navy Mark1 knives. Today, we keep finding fewer and fewer people who fought in WWII around. The back piece has also been cut-through by the blade over the years, so the metal addition was definitely needed. In particular, some questions that arise with this knife are those regarding two specific features of the knife: the saw-toothed spine and the two holes in the handguard. auction. by orvet Tue May 28, 2013 1:20 pm, Post Thus, it took special care and attention to identify which company made which one, before going deeper to ascertain the date period around when the knife was made. It is the SP 2, Survival Knife. Quality knives and tools with lowest prices. The one I have comes with a green pouch that went on the vest and the leather sheath was sewn into the pouch. One of the tasks that this knife was designed to accomplish was helping pilots and aircrews egress their downed aircraft or to help first responders extract them from their downed aircraft. The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy. I will highly recommend this site! Theyre not like the other vintage war knives Ive dated because theyre not fighting knives. Did your Camillus knife go to the war? The original design of this 5" blade is, I believe, a pre-war Marbles design which was known as the "Ideal", a #45. Hand marked on the Knife collectors and dealers should still have those catalogs if you can find them. I find no marks on it but it was well used with rust stains. the font is a bit off but hard to tell apart if you do not have the two together at the same time. generate quite a few questions so we hope this is a help to a few folks. contracts. Later, when we received individual survival and flotation gear, the knife scabbard was sometimes sewn into the pocket where a .38 special was stored during Vietnam days on the survival vest. Any information is appreciated. While the true nature of the knife remained the same, the naming system and stamp models were not the same anymore. Some extremely valid points! The blade design is different then the Camillus Keto Folding Knife $29.99 2 Reviews Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Choff Folding Knife Black $19.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus LK6 Folding Knife $22.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Wedge Folding Knife $19.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Carbide Edge Folding Knife $36.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Heater II Neck Knife I'll leave it at this, there is some conjecture out there on what these knives might or might not be. Is this unusual? This marking is post 1990 and is the current marking, it Examine your knife pocket identifying mark on one of the blades. Maybe a high school classmate possibly but I dont know. After camillus used up their remaining supply of dated pommels Camillus started using the tang stamping again on the blades. What had occurred was corrosion issues, through the second half of 1943, there was a lot of discussion from the BuOrd and contractors to remediate the issue. If there is anything else you want to know which I missed, do let me know in the comments section or reach out via the contact page. companies to design the Para knife. They are back again and better then ever. Below are some timelines for you to explore:Tang StampStamp DesignExtra MarkingsDateUnion Cutlery Co., Tidioute, Pa;Union Cut. Opening locked doors and smashing car windows. Appreciating the persistence you put into your site and in depth information you provide. This does not impact the price of the item youre buying and it supports me to keep creating the content that you love. Probably not a Pro-Tec pointed dagger, but it's real novel. Yes the Vietnam War lasted until 1975 but the majority of US combat While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, "Bushman" and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. I cant glean a date of manufacture from the stamp. The only way to stay in the knife business and keep running a profit was to start making and selling them domestically. It was later made with an etch on the blade "Sportsman" In New York City. Most of the knives shown I have factory documentation on from the I can't give you a model number but it is a USAF survival knife AKA a jet pilot knife or bolt knife. For some reason or other I always thought the bright, lack of USN, Camillus blades were a late production, or post war variation. For a knife that has been around for more than 120 years now, you also know that it would have changed hands a lot of times. Any review of World War II military fixed blades must include several examples of Western knives. flat sided pommel to be used for hammering prior to the adoption of the hex What are the unique features of the Air Force Survival Knife, as outlined in the U.S. Government specifications? metal tip protectors. I have one but cant find anything about it. room when the company was auctioned off. Bear7, Now, the efficacy of this model relies on having an antique book (or maybe a knife expert with access to such a book) that you can date the knife with. The Camillus Cutlery company also produced: Their production capacity was expanded during the second world war when they had to manufacture a lot of high-quality knives to meet the needs of the soldiers shipping off to war. The handle should fold out to cover the entire blade edge. 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To put things in context, it is estimated that there have been, at least, 200 different Ka-bar knife stamps in use since the late 1890s. The sharpening stone size shall be 3 inches long, 7/8-inch-wide, and 1/4 inch thick. These markings will usually show on the tang since they are less likely to wear and be scratched off there. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. Of course, they were sharp and most of them are older than us, but that doesnt mean we lost interest. It has a decent leather scabbard with no hole in the tip and leather cords intact, as well as the stone with similar markings as others Ive seen. Hi. Powered by Invision Community, US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY. This is it. that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal 5684 L77A: Camillus tried to talk Naval Ordnance into using For the next 27 years it was in my Squad car or on my SWAT belt. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. This military specification document would become the standard for further improvements and changes to the pilot survival knife throughout the years. You pull the knife out but drop it. Can't recall seeing. That latest acquisition also had a sheath lacking the metal back and tip of the sheath, but appears original in all respects. Dont expect to find an expert that will date your knife for free. This was one they wanted to make but never did. Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. Rosewood and steel domed rivets. Nickel silver guards made in 1948. They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. 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